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	<title>Comments on: Manchester&#8217;s Lesbian and Gay Foundation faces accusations from more than ten past employees</title>
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		<title>By: GS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 11:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div class=&quot;mycomment&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;g7uk.com in reply to Neil&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

You can get transcripts from the Tribunals Service. Copies cost £10 for the first judgement and £5 for each after that, ordered at the same time. But in this case it would probably all be one judgement. Payment by cheque to: 

Employment Tribunals Field Support Unit
100 Southgate Street
Bury St Edmunds
IP33 2AQ

Public Enquiry Line: +44 (0)845 795 9775
Minicom: +44 (0)845 757 3722

Manchester office: 
Tel: 0161 833 6100 
email: manchesteret@ets.gsi.gov.uk

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<p><strong>g7uk.com in reply to Neil</strong></p>
<p>You can get transcripts from the Tribunals Service. Copies cost £10 for the first judgement and £5 for each after that, ordered at the same time. But in this case it would probably all be one judgement. Payment by cheque to: </p>
<p>Employment Tribunals Field Support Unit<br />
100 Southgate Street<br />
Bury St Edmunds<br />
IP33 2AQ</p>
<p>Public Enquiry Line: +44 (0)845 795 9775<br />
Minicom: +44 (0)845 757 3722</p>
<p>Manchester office:<br />
Tel: 0161 833 6100<br />
email: <a href="mailto:manchesteret@ets.gsi.gov.uk">manchesteret@ets.gsi.gov.uk</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.employmenttribunals.gov.uk/FAQ/faqs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.employmenttribunals.gov.uk/FAQ/faqs.htm</a></div>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 09:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where can i obtain copies of the transcripts - anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where can i obtain copies of the transcripts &#8211; anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: Lesbian and Gay Foundation: the beginning of the end? &#124; g7uk</title>
		<link>http://www.g7uk.com/photo-video-blog/20090205-manchesters-lesbian-and-gay-foundation-faces-accusations-from-more-than-ten-past-employees.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-31036</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesbian and Gay Foundation: the beginning of the end? &#124; g7uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An employment tribunal has now reached a decision in the case that was brought against Manchester&#8217;s Lesbian and Gay Foundation by two former employ.... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An employment tribunal has now reached a decision in the case that was brought against Manchester&#8217;s Lesbian and Gay Foundation by two former employ&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 04:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On 3 April I had an update from someone who is close to the case and there is still no news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On 3 April I had an update from someone who is close to the case and there is still no news.</p>
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		<title>By: Fears for Queers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fears for Queers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still no news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no news?</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The suspense is killing me. 

Ultimately this is all very sad for the sector and for LGBT communities. The LGF should be a force for change - and lets face it, they do some good work - but ultimately any organisation that is entirely led by one forceful individual is at risk of completely losing sight of it&#039;s mission. 

I would ask, where were the trustees of the charity in all of this? Were they aware of what was going on? If not, perhaps they should keep a closer eye on things as it is them, not Paul Martin, who are now going to carry the can for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suspense is killing me. </p>
<p>Ultimately this is all very sad for the sector and for LGBT communities. The LGF should be a force for change &#8211; and lets face it, they do some good work &#8211; but ultimately any organisation that is entirely led by one forceful individual is at risk of completely losing sight of it&#8217;s mission. </p>
<p>I would ask, where were the trustees of the charity in all of this? Were they aware of what was going on? If not, perhaps they should keep a closer eye on things as it is them, not Paul Martin, who are now going to carry the can for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fears for Queers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fears for Queers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This situation is absolutley abhorrent. For these people who are well paid thanks to the tax-payer with the responsibility for upholding equality and diversity in the North West are now being accused of the opposite! How ironic.

Why should people be ashamed for feeling worried at the actions going on in this so called community foundation? The treatment of former staff, volunteers and service users is just the tip of the iceberg.

Should Manchester&#039;s gay community instead be proud of those who monopolistically pilfer  funds from other groups that aren&#039;t chummy with the NHS and Local Councils? Should we be proud of their completely inaccessible and unwelcoming &quot;community space&quot; above AXM bar that charges groups with little funding extortionate fees just to hire a poky little meeting room for a few hours?

They even have the utter cheek to charge their own groups such as the &quot;LGF Art Class&quot; and &quot;Icebreakers&quot; (to name but a few) for meeting space using Manchester Pride LGBT Community Fund money! Even though the criteria explicitly states &quot;Multiple applications from the same organisation will not be accepted due to the large number of applications we receive.&quot;

So in effect Paul is taking from Peter to give back to Paul. Perhaps they really are good people and this is the only way to divert income from the Big Weekend event and the bars back into the community unlike in 1999 when tickets were first introduced and no money was raised for charity. Maybe Paul Martin and his merry men are on a modern-day Robin Hood-like crusade and we&#039;ve all got it wrong?.. sorry, more like Robin&#039; Crook! Its deceptive - money laundering by any other name. 

When you hear stories like these from people who used to be committed to what the LGF stands for who have been chased away from an organisation they cared about surely we should question the real motives behind the treatment of these people?

Their dismissal was not only carried out through a discriminatory, illegal process through ageism (that&#039;s just the start by the way!) but represent the tip of a very large iceberg designed to sink the ship of whistle blowers who have tried to expose numerous examples of malpractice and dirty dealing. 

Expect the Judge to deliver his decision on the claims brought against the Lesbian and Gay Foundation by Alistair and Molly within days. If/when this happens the credibility of the ongoing voices of discontent will be heightened. No doubt all the details will be revealed soon enough. Watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This situation is absolutley abhorrent. For these people who are well paid thanks to the tax-payer with the responsibility for upholding equality and diversity in the North West are now being accused of the opposite! How ironic.</p>
<p>Why should people be ashamed for feeling worried at the actions going on in this so called community foundation? The treatment of former staff, volunteers and service users is just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>Should Manchester&#8217;s gay community instead be proud of those who monopolistically pilfer  funds from other groups that aren&#8217;t chummy with the NHS and Local Councils? Should we be proud of their completely inaccessible and unwelcoming &#8220;community space&#8221; above AXM bar that charges groups with little funding extortionate fees just to hire a poky little meeting room for a few hours?</p>
<p>They even have the utter cheek to charge their own groups such as the &#8220;LGF Art Class&#8221; and &#8220;Icebreakers&#8221; (to name but a few) for meeting space using Manchester Pride LGBT Community Fund money! Even though the criteria explicitly states &#8220;Multiple applications from the same organisation will not be accepted due to the large number of applications we receive.&#8221;</p>
<p>So in effect Paul is taking from Peter to give back to Paul. Perhaps they really are good people and this is the only way to divert income from the Big Weekend event and the bars back into the community unlike in 1999 when tickets were first introduced and no money was raised for charity. Maybe Paul Martin and his merry men are on a modern-day Robin Hood-like crusade and we&#8217;ve all got it wrong?.. sorry, more like Robin&#8217; Crook! Its deceptive &#8211; money laundering by any other name. </p>
<p>When you hear stories like these from people who used to be committed to what the LGF stands for who have been chased away from an organisation they cared about surely we should question the real motives behind the treatment of these people?</p>
<p>Their dismissal was not only carried out through a discriminatory, illegal process through ageism (that&#8217;s just the start by the way!) but represent the tip of a very large iceberg designed to sink the ship of whistle blowers who have tried to expose numerous examples of malpractice and dirty dealing. </p>
<p>Expect the Judge to deliver his decision on the claims brought against the Lesbian and Gay Foundation by Alistair and Molly within days. If/when this happens the credibility of the ongoing voices of discontent will be heightened. No doubt all the details will be revealed soon enough. Watch this space.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll see what the tribunal decides in a couple of weeks. To me it seems unlikely that more than ten witnesses would line up to give evidence in support of the complainants if it was just &#039;a vicious and ridiculous campaign&#039; as you write. I believe that one of the witnesses is quite a well-known performer in Manchester. 

In fact it&#039;s a very brave thing to do. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll see what the tribunal decides in a couple of weeks. To me it seems unlikely that more than ten witnesses would line up to give evidence in support of the complainants if it was just &#8216;a vicious and ridiculous campaign&#8217; as you write. I believe that one of the witnesses is quite a well-known performer in Manchester. </p>
<p>In fact it&#8217;s a very brave thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A vicious and ridiculous campaign against an organisation carrying out fantastic work with the lesbian and gay community in the North West. Those involved should be ashamed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A vicious and ridiculous campaign against an organisation carrying out fantastic work with the lesbian and gay community in the North West. Those involved should be ashamed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex LGF volunteer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex LGF volunteer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the LGF did to the therapeutic Manager was criminal and I wonder if the BACP (British Association of Counselling and Psycotherapy) were aware of their behaviour. Funnily emough the Assistant Head conveniently left... so did I and quite a few others. Bully boy tactics never work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the LGF did to the therapeutic Manager was criminal and I wonder if the BACP (British Association of Counselling and Psycotherapy) were aware of their behaviour. Funnily emough the Assistant Head conveniently left&#8230; so did I and quite a few others. Bully boy tactics never work</p>
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